Mammas, Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Critical Thinkers


First, some people REALLY need Jesus. Often times, the neediest of them stand high and deep within the ranks of those who swear they want to help others find the Christian messiah.

Second, why would anyone feel the need to ruin a perfectly good song by adding the nasty tune of their so-called faith to the lyrics?  

Third, okay, I’m annoying myself with all this enumerating, so I’ll just get to the point…

I forwarded a pictured of a “Mamas Do Not Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Pagans” church sign to a friend who had invited me to attend a future event at her congregation. I told her, “A couple of years ago, I accepted your invitation and was subjected to a chorus of children singing about how ‘good souls tricked by evils like Harry Potter [no joke, Harry (freaking) Potter] or magic ride to hell fast on a broomstick.’ I sat through the insults because I have manners. However, only a dumb-ass would park her rear on the same pew—a second time!—willingly. And you and I both know that my earthy mama raised chickens, goats, even a few pigs, but not an ass.”

Here is her reply to my message: “Don’t take things so personal. It wasn’t about you. The song was just a song teaching children that the Holy Day is about our Lord Jesus not made up things by godless unbelievers.”

I’ve chosen to leave well enough alone. No one can see through someone else’s eyes. Well, a bit of heartfelt prayer might help us both. Hit her with your best shot, cowgirl.
Praying Cowgirl Angel” by Mystic and Sassy

By the way, the sign in question also suggests that “Faith comes from hearing.” 
I disagree. Hearsay “comes from hearing;” faith, on the other hand, comes from experience, visualization, understanding, loving one another… NOT from written or spoken holier-than-thou blackmail. I wish that whoever reads the very distasteful sign teaches their children to think critically, lovingly and to show respect to others, so that they won’t grow up to be ignorance-spewing-narrow-minded wastes of space.

Tell them how you do things “In the Garden,” Willie…



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42 comments:

  1. I see that being Pagan is just so much difficult..because people won't just accept who you are, throwing unnecessary words your side even though might be not really believing in them themselves... It made me sick. I am not exposing my Pagan inclinations (I picked up a term like this as of now ), but not hiding them either. Just day before yesterday I asked my husband if he has his favorite God (a Hindu one)...and not waiting for an answer I suddenly said that my favorite Goddess was Artemis... He didn't reply anything, because, well, he didn't know much about her. But he didn't start yelling and saying to leave those sinful thoughts and embrace the Kingdom of God and so on. I personally strongly believe that being a good person, kind and sensible, will do much better than being a religious one. In this case we better be spiritual... (does what I said make sense?:)

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    1. It makes perfect sense, all of it. Everyone wants to be who he or she is without others breathing down their necks telling them they aren't good enough, so they should be more like someone else. Is insulting and just plain mean.

      Your husband is an intelligent man. If you don't know about something, there is no need to go giving opinion (and by 'you' I mean 'me') I might ask questions, but aside from that we should just let people be.

      And you are very right, "a good person, kind and sensible, will do much better" than one who goes around teaching ugliness.

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    2. You know I still stir so much between two religions - Christianity and Hinduism. Some Hinduism I just can't accept, some Christian doctrines too... but this is our right to be able to choose what makes us happy and what doesn't. That's what I try to tell my husband each time we are on a verge of an argument..we are all not the same in our wishes and dreams. His dream for example to travel, mine - to go to see my parents. See where this conversation led me :)
      Your blog for many of us is a place we can open up ourselves and discuss various issues without fear to be judged. So it must be annoying few people around :) Let them stay in their annoyance. Let us be happily witchy!

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    3. We should all be allowed to have a safe place where to discuss our issues. And when it comes to family and beliefs, things can get really, really, really sticky... but love can often find a middle ground.

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    4. Middle ground, mixing - I'd like to incorporate this when we have children, bring them up in both religions, let them make their choices where they want to be, what they want to believe, of course directing so that their energy doesn't harm anybody around. Just make them grow kind and versatile persons.. Oh, that is going to be tough :) But I am ready whenever the time comes...

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    5. Diversity is a great foundation; good soil to raise young minds in ;-)

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  2. I giggle to myself that I am friends with quite a few people despite their religion....
    ....but when it crosses over to pity, being looked down upon or active recruitment on their part because of my lack of one....the friendship is over.

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    1. You know, I have friends and family who belong to enough religions to form a theology rainbow, but they know me enough to know better. Most of them had tried the "let me save your soul approach," but after we have words they leave me alone. When they don't, I just leave them. So I guess you and I are on the same boat.

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    2. My family is pretty much on the bewildered & fearful side. Luckily, they live thousands of miles away, so we just ignore the whole 'faith' issue.

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    3. I just chuckled... a bit to loud. Okay, I might have cackled ;-D

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  3. I feel so sick when an adult teaches a child that they have to believe in the Christian God or they'll go to Hell, because that's what I was taught as a child and I'm still dealing with a lot of the mental and emotional backlash. That kind of thing can be just as traumatizing as physical or mental abuse! Do these people teach their kids that Disney "magic" is evil too?? I've read of some churches that do that... It's truly sad, to me, that so many in that faith feel the need for coercion. One would think that preaching love and grace would be enough...

    -Fox

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    1. There are a lot of confused souls out there. Some are just straight up mean. Nothing makes me sadder than when I hear a parent saying things like, "If you read that book (most of the time a fairy tale) you'll make Jesus sad and he'll cry because of you." That is not love for a child or a religion, that is very much emotional abuse and blackmail. If someone wants their child to grow up Christian and respecting those teachings, show them what the teachings say, help them make sense of what they are reading, let them make their choices... if they respect you and feel you are treating them with the same respect, kids will ask questions. Treat them gently. Give their minds and soul and chance to grow up to be themselves, and to fill their heart with what will make them a complete person. If you must preach, let the "preaching [be of] love and grace, [it] would be enough..."

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  4. There is (in-)tolerance in the most surprising places. When a conservative Muslim colleague found out I am a witch (she asked about my necklace and I do not lie about these things) I thought our work relationship would enter into a freezing stage. She only smiled at me and said, "I had a great aunt who was a witch. You have to be careful, these things can be dangerous" and left it at that. We still get along well, and I am a bit ashamed for previously thinking badly of her.

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    1. Sweet Diandra, that is such a great truth. While I worked for the government, I wasn't as open about my spirituality. And I was often suspicious of, well... of mostly everyone. I was wrong about many people. And these days, I see that good and kind and just so, regardless of creed. Also, that most people who go around preaching about how they have all the answers and how you should jump head first into their boat, are usually very, very, very confused and lost.

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  5. It must be difficult being a witch in such a religious and conservative country as the US. And why the hell is everyone so afraid? I guess if you believe one thing you can't help to wonder about the other..?

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    1. It is more difficult for some. I don't have as much of a problem because I live by a philosophy that says that if a person doesn't want me just like I am, well then I don't want them either. We can part ways in civil terms. But many people need approval and interaction with others who don't always care for them as much as they hope, so that gets difficult. I can only imagine how much it would hurt to feel unwanted by someone we care about.

      "And why the hell is everyone so afraid?" That is the easiest question to answer, my beloved Ms Misantropia. When you are raised to believe that half of the things that go through your mind (every other minute) are evil, and that thinking those things will send you to sizzle in the pits of Mordor for eternity, then you are thought that asking certain question is even more evil, you end up feeling very un-precious. After your self-esteem has been murder by those who claim to love you, the walking meat-shell is not so difficult to manhandle in the name of any god.

      It is ugly. It is mean. And those who do it, should feel ashamed.

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  6. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said: "Hearsay comes from hearing."

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  7. "Don't take things so personal. . . " ? ? ?
    *sigh*
    There is nothing more personal or intrusive than being told what to believe. It is the equivalent of spiritual rape.

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  8. The older I become...well aged like a fine wine really, the more I see that folks cling to something so that they have that "life jacket" effect. It's not so much that they truly hold the religious thoughts that close, they just don't want the big flood to come and have nothing to "save them". And anyone who is not like them is wrong. And the ones like them are suspect as well.
    "When I was but a child, I had childish thoughts", and for most that's as far as they get in the scripture.
    Critical thinkers are a huge threat to the opiate of the masses. Fear not for I have seen the Goddess and she is good, kind, always present and I never once have to ask her for forgiveness because I am responsible for each and every action and I know it. My reward.....living and experiencing every bit of what is available. Critical thinking being part of that experience. That is what I want for my grands and all children. Not guilt, submission, or worse... acting out a part I don't even know why those around me comply to one day a week and act as they please without regard for anyone else the other 6.
    Not that Oma has an opinion, mind you.

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    1. My Oma having opinions? Never! lol

      It is sad to see what some can do with the fears of others. Very, very sad.

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  9. Magaly, I'm going to send you my dental bill since I'm grinding my teeth in aggravation so hard I think they might break..."godless unbelievers"? "Don't take things so personal?" *Jumping up and down throwing things* It IS personal. We're all connected and there are millions of children being taught this message of superiority and hate daily. As you know, I was raised Christian, but also raised to be critical of everything I heard...especially in Church. We left and held our own services at home when it became clear the house of "worship" we attended was only out to get money and build a community of female subservience and double standards for men and women. It enrages me to see people creating new life and then poisoning these innocent little minds filling them with hate and prejudice. I guess the only way to "fight" the people that so sweetly invite us to their congregations where we are expected to sit quietly and "just believe" (a phrase I hear A LOT) is to shower them with Love and let our own Lights shine in our own way. (And imagine bashing their skulls in with their hymnals.)

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    1. People who are old enough to think have the right to do whatever they want (when legal) with themselves. But I do get a little jumpy when children are force-fed beliefs they don't understand. It's not fair to them.

      Hope your teeth are feeling better :-)

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  10. I like Diandra's experience and I think it speaks about all people who truly believe. They don't judge.

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    1. Indeed, Francie. Those who truly believe don't feel the need to shove their tenets down other people's throats. Especially not children. If one truly believes, one will know that others have the capability to do the same in their own time and in their own way.

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  11. I guess I'm one of those so-called "godless unbelievers" and I know it's hard not to take such remarks personally. Still, like you, I do my best to leave well enough alone most of the time. Unless someone goes out of their way to insult me, I don't say much. Some people would never listen to what I have to say, and some simply can't see from my point of view. I get that. All I can do is use critical thinking in my own life, and I plan to pass that on to my children, along with the understanding that those different from them still deserve respect. I want them to be able to make educated decisions for themselves and to get along with others. If I can do that, then I've done my job.

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    1. Her definition of "godless unbelievers" seems to cover a lot of us. You know what's the biggest shame? That she always has something to say about what other people believe, but rarely takes the time to ask them. Weird. If one feels that strong about something, you'd think that asking would be the reasonable thing to do.

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  12. I can send you the link to my blog post where I call Christianity evil.. let's see if she takes THAT personally. Ok, I'll be quiet now, Mags. I promise :)

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    1. Oma Linda has no opinion and you'll be quiet... Definitely. If you find anyone who believes that, do let them know that I have a bridge I can sell them twice ;-D

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  13. "godless unbelievers"? *blinks* I talk to lots of gods and some even talk back.

    It is terrifying to see from your example how many people are still so comfortable in their brain-washed haze that they think their 'hymns' are harmless teaching songs. Anyway, aren't hymns supposed to be songs of praise and joy? Oh, silly pagan, remembering the real meanings to worship for the silly X-tians. (Sorry, I can't honestly type Christ in there because there isn't anything at all Christ-like about her behaviour toward you.)

    As so many before me, and no doubt after me, have said upon embarking on a pagan path: Dear Jesus, it's not you... it's your followers.

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    1. I don't think she sees it as a bad thing. I truly believe that she thinks her arrogance and insults are what she is supposed to do as a member of her faith. It is sad... that people have gotten so involved with their interpretations of an ancient document that they no longer see the Words. Very sad.

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  14. My dear, sounds like someone needs to hear what they are saying before they open their mouths. Sigh and Harry Potter has no religion in it at all.

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    1. Sometimes the things already filling people's head, keep them from hearing the stuff oozing out of their mouths. Methinks...

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  15. I actually am a godless unbeliever. ;) But I totally get what you are saying here.
    I have the same "discussions" with many people. I say "discussions" because like what is happening to you, I spend more time being told why I think the way I do is wrong.

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    1. The world seems to bee full of us lol

      There was a time when I spent a lot of time explaining and explaining without getting through to no one. Nowadays, I just wait until get tired of the sound of their own voice and ask something, or I just walk away from them. It reduces overall damage.

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  16. During my "searching" phase, I tried Mormonism and Christianity, but because of their narrow minded, judgmental attitude, and two-faced behavior, I reverted back to my original path as a pagan. Although, I will admit that not all christian-based believers, fall into those categories. Like all traditions and peoples, there are the good and the not-so-good. I won't go into detail, but I will say: I completely agree with you!

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    1. Every group has a lot of amazing people and some not so amazing. I think that the not so amazing Christians of the world are very outspoken.

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  17. Magaly, I am with you all the way my friend ;o) I am not a Buddhist, like my mom and brother, but when they ask me to sometimes to go, when they chant for world peace, it is an invite, of positive energy! It's not to tell me to be a Buddhist! I am not forced to do anything, or change my beliefs! This is the way things should be! A welcoming, an experience, something to make you happy. You made me smile and cry happy tears with Willie! I will tell you why, I am suppose to take my mom to Willie for her birthday in June! Well, the concert is sold out ;o( But, the girl said to keep phoning back, because you never know. Well, I take this as a sign!!! For you putting Willie on your blog, we are going!! Big Hugs and Much Love ;o)

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    1. When people get together in peach and happiness, the energies are rich and bright. It is a wonderful thing to experience ;-)

      By the way, I just lit a fat purple candle and wished one of those phone calls are fruitful. Your dear mom has gone through so much these last couple of years, she deserves to hear Willie for her birthday!

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    1. Right back at you, my crow goddess!

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