Spell, Prayer, Tomato, Tomahto…

First of all, I want to thank everyone for the positive energy that has been sent my way. It is true that good medication and plenty of rest helped me a great deal, but your healing thoughts, spells, and prayers provided the magic touch. I’m on my way to feeling like a million bucks again!

I was discussing this very topic with a friend. I said that it was invigorating to click on my blog and read your good wishes.

I told him “the spells and prayers from family and friends have truly made a difference."

“I see.” He mumbled.

The look on his face told me he didn't see, so I offered some background. “Cogent Ascending, a very colorful blogger friend, commented on how spells and prayers are basically the same thing. I agree with him, so I’m going to write about it on my next post.”

He grinned annoyingly. “Spells and prayers aren’t the same thing. Anyone can cast a spell, but only true religious people can say an effective prayer.”

I stayed quiet for a few seconds, thinking that this type of discussion has always led us nowhere fast. Then I remembered that I have a temporary superpower: I can blame tactless remarks on the influence of pain killers! So I simply told him, “You say the dumbest things.” His eyebrows went to the roof, and a headache hit me right before he opened his mouth to retort.
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Alright, so I faked the headache. But trust me on this one, my head throbs every time my friend and I compare spiritual concepts. I’ve suffered my share of headaches these past two weeks, so I wanted this discussion to be pain free.

My belief is that spells and prayers are wishes loaded with intend. Some groups perform elaborate rituals when praying. Other groups might cast a spell on their knees. At the end, both groups set their minds on a particular wish, and put their hearts behind it, with the hope that it becomes a reality.

“You say tomato, I say tomahto”, but we are both wishing for change.

What are your thoughts on the issue? Be honest. I promise not to fake another headache… maybe ;)

32 comments:

  1. Gotta agree I think its all in the "name" I say Spells they say Prayers, Part of you does prey to the gods for a sick friend to get well of course but to be truely effective in anything like this spellcraft or otherwise you have to really really feel it in the pit of your stomach, at least thats how I feel if my magic has worked I can feel it in my stomach it feels like butterflies.
    The intent to help by either Spellcraft or prayer in my opinion is no different. xx Glad your back hunni missed you xx

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  2. "Butterflies", huh? How cool! I get chills and my body does funny things when I'm raising energy for spellworkings. I agree with you, it is all in the strength of the intent. If one really wants it, magic will happen, regardless of what anyone calls it.

    I'm glad to be back! I missed you too ;)

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  3. LOL ok as long as you don't fake a headache!! I to think like you. I think they are the same thing as their is a wish behind it to be granted! Stopping by from SITS! Hope you have a fantastic day. You were the comment above me :)

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  4. Stacie, yep the secret is in the wish ;)

    Thanks for stopping by.

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  5. I'm going to go in a different direction and say they are two different kinds of the same thing, but maybe we don't have a word for that that is. That's why you naturally said "spells and prayers" and we all get that there's a reason to say both. I don't know if I can tell you how they are different. Spells feel more active than prayers; you are working with energy differently.

    And frankly, I'd say that anyone can pray, but it takes some skill and learning to do a spell. You have to train the mind to use symbols a certain way, understand the generation of energy, or at least know what herbs to use in dressing your candle. If you want to pray, all you have to do is talk to the gods.

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  6. Call it what you want, a prayer, a spell, a wish....it only has power if you believe it has power.

    I was after you on the SITS roll call this morning, so I'm stopping by to say hello. Very interesting blog!

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  7. Positive energy...
    Spells...
    Prayers...all the same if you are generating well wishes for the person in your thoughts

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  8. I absolutely think, at the basics, they are the same thing: a way to try to cause change through intent and/or asking deity for help.

    It's exactly how I try to explain spells to my non-pagan friends.

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  9. I don't think they're entirely the same thing. A prayer is far more passive than a spell. Also, spells tend to work for a goal, a prayer can just be worship. Now, worship can be a goal, but there's no intent to cause a change. I suppose there are spells that are just for worship, but I've not come across them yet.

    I agree with Yvonne. I think the difference isn't in kind, but in subtlety - maybe in degree. A wish can belong in there as well, but a wish is even more passive than a prayer - it's really just a statement to the universe.

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  10. Yvonne Rathbone, I think that there are different kind of spells and different kind of prayers. For instance, not every spell is centered around something palpable; there are silent spells that can be said without moving at all. At the same time, I’ve prayer groups—and some individual too—that are so active that they resemble a dance. There is incense involved, even smoking some type of herb and it is still a prayer. My point is that at the very core we use both to ask for something we want, even if it is just “to ask” the gods to hear our praises. Great argument!

    M.J., you said it beautifully! With very few words you explained a very good point. One doesn’t need skill to cast spells—at least not simple ones—but one needs to BELIEVE in order to put power into spells, prayers, wishes….

    Andycea, you are with me and M.J. it is putting power behind our special desire. It can be good, evil, healing, love, lust… anything.

    Mrs. B, stop stealing my explanatory tools *grin*. I do the same thing to explain the power of a good spell to point out the similarities between different spiritual paths. I usually say that some spells are just prayers with a lot of choreography ;)

    Lasher, you and Yvonne are right in a sense, which is the reason why I said that “spells and prayers are basically the same.” To say that they are identical would be like saying that there is no difference between a Porsche and a Kia. I would probably get beat to a bloody pulp by the owner of the Porsche, but I doubt s/he would mind much if I say that Porsches and Kias are both cars, don’t you think?

    Mmmm, nothing like a good discussion to get the blood pumping!!!

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  11. Unholy shit my friend!
    I just got your blog to load and read about your bumps bruises and blessings!
    I'll send my fully loaded intentions that you heal completely your way and some extra wishes that once you do the world sees fit to get you a little welcome back present.
    ;p
    in a naughty way to be sure!
    You know what I think about the above topic but I just wanted to stop by and say GET BETTER SOON!
    And thanks for being my first new follower!

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  12. I do think that praying and doing a spell are two different things; though I won't argue with saying that they can (but not necessarily) have the same results. Here's how I figure it:

    In praying, you ask a deity to do it for you. In that case, it is totally in the deity's hands.

    In spell work, you take it on yourself to cause the change. You might ask for a deity to intervene and help, but essentially you say "Ok, I'm going to raise the energy and (insert whatever you do here) to make sure this gets done."

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  13. I have to agree with you-i think spells and prayers are one in the same to me-both are filled with intent-

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  14. I don't have a clue about the spells/prayer thing, but I'm very glad to have found your blog. So interesting. I'm truly saddened that you were injured, but very glad you are on the mend.

    SITS girl here!

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  15. prayers and spells.... spells have a mystic to them and I got no idea how to do them :) though I wish to learn one day! prayers are easier as you just speak to the God you believe in :) actually I send positive energy as it feels more like doing something active and before i sleep yes i pray to God

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  16. Cogent Ascending, I hope you have some pull out there and someone hears your plead. Yep, I need a welcome back home present lol. Thanks for your good wishes; I feel them working their magic already ;)

    Sarita, I think we’ll compromise here, for you praying and spell working are different if you always pray to deity. I for instance, don’t always pray to a god. When I have nightmares and I can’t go back to sleep, I pray to my grandma on my mother side. She passed about 15 years ago. She was the best when it came to making ‘the ugly’ go away. So you see, although you and I both praying, I’m not expecting a god to do it for me.

    Written in Earth, we usually agree, don’t we? I’ll say it again; the basic secret is in the intent.

    Janette, I’m glad you found Pagan Culture too! Welcome to my Eclectic Circle. I hope you stay around for a long, long time. We all love the input of a fresh mind.

    Equidae, good spell working is like yoga: it feels awkward at first, but after you practice for a while it becomes an art—powerful beautiful art. I agree with you, praying is easier than working complicated spells, but there are some spells that are as simple as a bedtime prayer.

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  17. Glad you are feeling better...I believe prayers and spells are similar...prayers ask someone else to do the work and spells are your own work (with some assistance), but the intent is the same...perhaps some religions feel they need to differentiate between prayer and spells so that they can separate themselves from pagans?? Their loss, not ours...

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  18. I'm willing to agree with you Judy. I've seen my mom doing some serious spell working, which I assure you no one will make her admit that has anything to do with Witchcraft. My mom is a devout Catholic, so she is just praying with LOTS of spice lol

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  19. You guys have made me think. Thank you!

    Magaly, you're comment in particular clarified something I was thinking. I think spells are not about asking, but about making something happen. And a lot of people don't want to think they are making something happen so they call what they do a prayer. Other people want to think they make everything happen and call everything they do a spell. But you're right that the two are like sides of the same coin, inseparable. The same action or thought or speech can be both at the same time and there's a lot of mystery in how that happens. But if you are dancing, you are definitely making something happen! (g)

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  20. BINGO my dear Yvonne!!!!! To admit that one is causing change is a HUGE responsibility. It would mean that if something goes wrong it would be one's fault. In both spell working and praying there is a human factor. We are asking for something in order to cause change, who or what makes the change possible doesn't matter as much. Don't get me wrong Fate won't be denied, but things might turnout quite different if we don't add our magic in a spell, in a prayer, in a wish...

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  21. than you must teach me a few or else tell me where I can find such info :) it would be a new interesting subject for me!

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  22. I enjoyed reading this post because it is very much in line with my own way of thinking. :o)

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  23. Spells and Prayers both operate on the belief that an outcome will take place. I think of prayer as more of letting the gods decide the outcome but I think the same things happen in a spell too. You may get the desired outcome but it may happen in a way you don't expect. I think your friend is just trying to be a pain in the culo by splitting the difference :)

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  24. I have never cast a spell and probably neve will in any elaborate form. I think a spell is just a visual and kinesthetic form of a prayer. It is your wish or thought of things to come put it you hands rather than you just your heart.

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  25. Equidae, my mom is Roman Catholic too, but she grew up (and lives) in the Caribbean. This means that my mom Catholicism has a lot of magic in it—literally. My mom goes to church during holidays and like you, she also lives her religion through everything she does. My mom is quite good at spell working by the way, I’ll email you and we can discuss a few ;)

    Wendy the (Very) Good Witch, I’m so glad you liked the post and very happy we think alike.

    Lasher, thanks so much for the kind words. Hope you enjoyed your time off after exams.

    Filho de Logunede, I think you are right, my friend and I have been arguing about the same topic for years. I think we’ve began to enjoy the healthy theological arguments, even the headaches! How sick is that?

    ONe PiNK FiSH, I think that spell working and prayers are very personal to the person behind them. For instance, I put everything—heart, body, mind and soul—into both. I think that the spiritual world is so diverse, and I love this. So many of us do the same thing using different methods… endless possibilities ;)

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  26. I have never cast a spell and probably neve will in any elaborate form. I think a spell is just a visual and kinesthetic form of a prayer. It is your wish or thought of things to come put it you hands rather than you just your heart.

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  27. Equidae, my mom is Roman Catholic too, but she grew up (and lives) in the Caribbean. This means that my mom Catholicism has a lot of magic in it—literally. My mom goes to church during holidays and like you, she also lives her religion through everything she does. My mom is quite good at spell working by the way, I’ll email you and we can discuss a few ;)

    Wendy the (Very) Good Witch, I’m so glad you liked the post and very happy we think alike.

    Lasher, thanks so much for the kind words. Hope you enjoyed your time off after exams.

    Filho de Logunede, I think you are right, my friend and I have been arguing about the same topic for years. I think we’ve began to enjoy the healthy theological arguments, even the headaches! How sick is that?

    ONe PiNK FiSH, I think that spell working and prayers are very personal to the person behind them. For instance, I put everything—heart, body, mind and soul—into both. I think that the spiritual world is so diverse, and I love this. So many of us do the same thing using different methods… endless possibilities ;)

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  28. Cogent Ascending, I hope you have some pull out there and someone hears your plead. Yep, I need a welcome back home present lol. Thanks for your good wishes; I feel them working their magic already ;)

    Sarita, I think we’ll compromise here, for you praying and spell working are different if you always pray to deity. I for instance, don’t always pray to a god. When I have nightmares and I can’t go back to sleep, I pray to my grandma on my mother side. She passed about 15 years ago. She was the best when it came to making ‘the ugly’ go away. So you see, although you and I both praying, I’m not expecting a god to do it for me.

    Written in Earth, we usually agree, don’t we? I’ll say it again; the basic secret is in the intent.

    Janette, I’m glad you found Pagan Culture too! Welcome to my Eclectic Circle. I hope you stay around for a long, long time. We all love the input of a fresh mind.

    Equidae, good spell working is like yoga: it feels awkward at first, but after you practice for a while it becomes an art—powerful beautiful art. I agree with you, praying is easier than working complicated spells, but there are some spells that are as simple as a bedtime prayer.

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  29. I enjoyed reading this post because it is very much in line with my own way of thinking. :o)

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  30. BINGO my dear Yvonne!!!!! To admit that one is causing change is a HUGE responsibility. It would mean that if something goes wrong it would be one's fault. In both spell working and praying there is a human factor. We are asking for something in order to cause change, who or what makes the change possible doesn't matter as much. Don't get me wrong Fate won't be denied, but things might turnout quite different if we don't add our magic in a spell, in a prayer, in a wish...

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  31. Hokua oe8/26/2011

    wa looking up what tomatoes had to do with wicca but exactly what I've been telling ppl in my posts...although I am sometimes critical of Christians having grew up and raised by them...yeah...spells and prayer are the same thing I think...and I do love Christians depsite the fact that I am constantly bombarded with rpent now and such...not all Christians are like that hank heavens...some are very understanding and I loveall my Christina friends for that which is like 98% of my friends...may peace and love follow them always and forever and you too

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  32. Rev_conner8/26/2011

    I hope not to intrude but I thought I would invite you to associated content...we could use more like minded indivuals blogging all over the world  I'm at http://contributor.yahoo.com/user/850812/hokua_oe_lopqi_lokki.html
    granted we most likely have different ideas but yes prayer and spells are the same...and my ideas need matter not...it is what we believe and think for ourselves not what ppl think for us...love you...love life...love the universe

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